password wrote:Why do people think there's a better chance of getting a print if the system is slow?
With a given # of buyers attempting to purchase a print, your chances or scoring a print are the same no matter how fast or slow the system is. There is no probability advantage with a slower system.
There is the attrition factor. System acts up/slows down/asks for passwords, etc and there are a lot of people who simply quit (read the boards). Maybe they aren't "committed", maybe they don't have the time to sit there and f5, whatever, but that definitely favors people who do have the time and are willing to try.
Yes, and that's the exact reason why the servers need to be fixed/improved. What you describe is just a net societal and economic loss.
A net societal and economic loss? Wow. I'd like to suggest that you might be taking this a little too seriously.
How do you feel about people who sleep out overnight to get tickets to concerts or, OMG, the people who wait in the long lines to try out for American Idol!!! What a giant waste of communal effort, huh? Armegeddon! They need better systems too. Those people might cure cancer if they weren't waiting in line!
When thousands of people just sit at their computers for an hour or more waiting for screens to load, that equals an unneeded loss of productivity and wasted time. It's not about taking anything too seriously and is not hard to comprehend.
The people who wait in lines or camp overnight for things such as tickets or Kanye Nikes do so by choice and because it is worth it to them. The difference for OG's e-commerce capabilities is that they could improve them and not force people to F5 at their computers all day. Whether people F5 all day due to not knowing the random drop time would be a better analogy to your examples.
password wrote:
The people who wait in lines or camp overnight for things such as tickets or Kanye Nikes do so by choice and because it is worth it to them.
At least with a line for concert tickets, xbox games and Nike shoes you get rewarded for the duration of wait depending on place in line.
If Obey was selling shoes at a NIke store you'd finally get to the cash register with your product the register would crash then security would throw you back in line randomly with others that had been in line a fraction of the time.
Phởgg wrote:
B. Employed but a half-a$$ed low waged slacker employee assisting the hard working Chinese to happily move into the position of world economic leadership by not being a productive citizen of your own nation
password wrote:
The people who wait in lines or camp overnight for things such as tickets or Kanye Nikes do so by choice and because it is worth it to them.
At least with a line for concert tickets, xbox games and Nike shoes you get rewarded for the duration of wait depending on place in line.
If Obey was selling shoes at a NIke store you'd finally get to the cash register with your product the register would crash then security would throw you back in line randomly with others that had been in line a fraction of the time.
Not necessarily true. Lots of people go to Black Friday sales, wait in line, and then don't get their cheap computer or $5 VCR. They run out while they're waiting in line or running around the store. Those numbers are limited; OG's posters are limited. SAME THING.
Risk/reward. You want no risk. You want it, you're willing to pay for it, ipso facto, it should be yours or not yours; in 2 seconds or less so you can go back to your deep thinking. It must be nice to feel so entitled to things which are, by definition, limited.
i'm saying you have your shoes, tickets or game in hand then when you get to the sales clerk the register (paypal) crashes the shoes get smacked out of your hands and back in line randomly you go
Phởgg wrote:i'm saying you have your shoes, tickets or game in hand then when you get to the sales clerk the register (paypal) crashes the shoes get smacked out of your hands and back in line randomly you go
aww whatever it just isn't fun anymore
What happened to you with the Retro prints was awful. I can totally understand your attitude. I would sign a petition regarding fixing checkout so that refunds never happen.
It hasn't happened to me. . . yet, but I can only imagine the disappointment.
i've accepted the fact that for any desirable new obey releases i will have to shell out premium $$$ to some slacker dovche as a thank you for his/her part in driving the once great nation i live in into the ground
leave the system as is...i get a print once in a while...but i do think you should make it completely random(dont even announce day) and release em in batches...just my opinion
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Phởgg wrote:i'm saying you have your shoes, tickets or game in hand then when you get to the sales clerk the register (paypal) crashes the shoes get smacked out of your hands and back in line randomly you go
aww whatever it just isn't fun anymore
That's a bad analogy. It's the same thing as getting to the front door of the place you camped out in front of for 18 hrs. only to be the first person who doesn't get what they waited all that time for. You'd never be allowed to get the product in your hand because it'd already be out of stock, gone, sold out, etc. Either way it was a waste of time and you come up empty handed.
I agree the system isn't perfect, but I just don't see anything changing as this has been an issue since Chinese Soldiers. I think announced drops are the only way to go at this point because that will minimize the time sat refreshing and waiting for it to drop.
conartstudio wrote:the majority here enjoy art, the majority on EB enjoy profiting off of art. people become ruthless when money is involved.
password wrote:Why do people think there's a better chance of getting a print if the system is slow?
With a given # of buyers attempting to purchase a print, your chances or scoring a print are the same no matter how fast or slow the system is. There is no probability advantage with a slower system.
The crashing server eliminates a good number of potential purchasers who don't know how to navigate it as well as some of the more seasoned Obey print collectors. If you don't know how to get through the checkout process, there's a very good chance that people who have been using it for years will beat you every single time. I probably have a 95% success rate with Obey prints, compared to 50% when I used to try to buy Banksy. That's why I like the server and won't sign the petition.
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Phởgg wrote:i'm saying you have your shoes, tickets or game in hand then when you get to the sales clerk the register (paypal) crashes the shoes get smacked out of your hands and back in line randomly you go
aww whatever it just isn't fun anymore
That's a bad analogy. It's the same thing as getting to the front door of the place you camped out in front of for 18 hrs. only to be the first person who doesn't get what they waited all that time for. You'd never be allowed to get the product in your hand because it'd already be out of stock, gone, sold out, etc.
well the difference being most buyers in line at the obey shop have the item in cart at least half a dozen times and lose it due to system crashes before the item is sold out
Phởgg wrote:i'm saying you have your shoes, tickets or game in hand then when you get to the sales clerk the register (paypal) crashes the shoes get smacked out of your hands and back in line randomly you go
aww whatever it just isn't fun anymore
That's a bad analogy. It's the same thing as getting to the front door of the place you camped out in front of for 18 hrs. only to be the first person who doesn't get what they waited all that time for. You'd never be allowed to get the product in your hand because it'd already be out of stock, gone, sold out, etc.
well the difference being most buyers in line at the obey shop have the item in cart at least half a dozen times and lose it due to system crashes before the item is sold out
so quite the contrary analyst
how about when you've camped out in line, get the product in hand checkout and have a receipt and then the store comes back a week later and takes said item back and tells you we'll have our financial department return your money, by they will hold onto it for another few days before you can have it back.
Just seen this thread, cant be bothered to read all 4 pages but i say leave things how they are. I think if servers were fast then you would just get a sold out sign pop up straight away as demand is so high on shep prints. Be careful what u wish for people!
Phởgg wrote:i'm saying you have your shoes, tickets or game in hand then when you get to the sales clerk the register (paypal) crashes the shoes get smacked out of your hands and back in line randomly you go
aww whatever it just isn't fun anymore
That's a bad analogy. It's the same thing as getting to the front door of the place you camped out in front of for 18 hrs. only to be the first person who doesn't get what they waited all that time for. You'd never be allowed to get the product in your hand because it'd already be out of stock, gone, sold out, etc.
well the difference being most buyers in line at the obey shop have the item in cart at least half a dozen times and lose it due to system crashes before the item is sold out
so quite the contrary analyst
how about when you've camped out in line, get the product in hand checkout and have a receipt and then the store comes back a week later and takes said item back and tells you we'll have our financial department return your money, by they will hold onto it for another few days before you can have it back.
Still a bad analogy. There is no "line" for online sales and everyone has a shot at it. It's the same thing getting shut out online as in person, as there are only so many to go around. OG just takes longer than most places to refund.
conartstudio wrote:the majority here enjoy art, the majority on EB enjoy profiting off of art. people become ruthless when money is involved.