Anographics Aluminum Obey prints: Are they authorized? (NO.)

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The EB thread is quite the read.
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MUZZY wrote:Yeah...that guy really has a problem with you and your PG on metal.

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I really like how they are all 100% convinced they are getting a metal
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How were so many "art experts" soo quick to throw money at some random dude named P. Casso????
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You don't often see P.Casso's for this cheap.
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That thread sums up the stereotype of ebeaners...Completely misinformed "art experts" that think they know everything about every artist(when it's almost the exact opposite). Par for the course, but I will admit I couldn't stop reading the thread.
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summoner wrote:
Despinetta wrote:As long as he never explicitly told you not to, sounds ok.
Since we are making up our own rules, I say the cutt off for him to tell me no to has passed... I need to try this with some other things as well... Like the Ferrari dealership down the street!
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cybernigel wrote:
spagucci1 wrote:Officially bootlegs. Per the seller:

Petecasso wrote:Shepard never said I could sell them, never said I couldn't, never got back to me in any way.
Nobody ever explicitly told me that I couldn't break into their house and steal their jewelry so I figured it was cool.
I've cancelled my order, but the situation still sounds to me less like an intentional IP theft and more like the guy did some test prints, asked obey about them, never heard back and decided (wisely or not) to unload them...after waiting several years. So it's not like not like he broke into someone else shop, stole them and is unloading them under the table. It sounds more like a genuine mistake where he looked around at a bunch of inventory he really had no use for, and decided to have a garage sale, including a bunch of other junk test pieces no one is talking about. He clearly didn't even put enough thought in to spell the artist's name right. Then he was hit with a sh*tstorm of rabid fans and handled the mess very poorly, especially for someone who claims 25 years in the art business. So I don't think he acted maliciously, just carelessly
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Not to mention that comparing prices of his normal work, these really were garage sale prices.
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yup, highly likely he thought he was on to a winner making these up. Made a load of them then they never got used, by the sounds of it blown off by obey and now wants his cash back. Thought he'd get away with flogging them years later and hoped nobody would notice.

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I agree with you 100%; I think this artist had some test peices sitting in his garage for two years and was just trying to raise a few dollars. Clearly he wasn't aware of the coming sh!t storm. Everyone needs to remember that being an artist doesn't make you a good business person; my sister is very talented sculptor and potter, but can't balance a check book. If he doesn't make it right, by all means crucify him. But it appears as if he is willing and able to the right thing so far.
aust449 wrote: I've cancelled my order, but the situation still sounds to me less like an intentional IP theft and more like the guy did some test prints, asked obey about them, never heard back and decided (wisely or not) to unload them...after waiting several years. So it's not like not like he broke into someone else shop, stole them and is unloading them under the table. It sounds more like a genuine mistake where he looked around at a bunch of inventory he really had no use for, and decided to have a garage sale, including a bunch of other junk test pieces no one is talking about. He clearly didn't even put enough thought in to spell the artist's name right. Then he was hit with a sh*tstorm of rabid fans and handled the mess very poorly, especially for someone who claims 25 years in the art business. So I don't think he acted maliciously, just carelessly
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aust449 wrote:
cybernigel wrote:
spagucci1 wrote:Officially bootlegs. Per the seller:

Petecasso wrote:Shepard never said I could sell them, never said I couldn't, never got back to me in any way.
Nobody ever explicitly told me that I couldn't break into their house and steal their jewelry so I figured it was cool.
I've cancelled my order, but the situation still sounds to me less like an intentional IP theft and more like the guy did some test prints, asked obey about them, never heard back and decided (wisely or not) to unload them...after waiting several years. So it's not like not like he broke into someone else shop, stole them and is unloading them under the table. It sounds more like a genuine mistake where he looked around at a bunch of inventory he really had no use for, and decided to have a garage sale, including a bunch of other junk test pieces no one is talking about. He clearly didn't even put enough thought in to spell the artist's name right. Then he was hit with a sh*tstorm of rabid fans and handled the mess very poorly, especially for someone who claims 25 years in the art business. So I don't think he acted maliciously, just carelessly
He deliberately misrepresented their legitimacy. Here's the offense:

"Shepard sent me the art work, so yes they are authorized." -Peter Kellett @ anographics
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cybernigel wrote:He deliberately misrepresented their legitimacy. Here's the offense:

"Shepard sent me the art work, so yes they are authorized." -Peter Kellett @ anographics
potAto/potato (doesn't work so well online)

authorized to be produced = yes
authorized to be sold = verdict still out.

I purchased one knowing full well that it was too good to be true. We all know now that these are backdoor/test prints.

Do I care? Not one little bit. Do I consider it a true fine art piece? No way.

$250 is a steal, and this isn't some ripoff from China.
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A steal? I get that people like the artwork. But if you are unwilling to shell out for any of the half-dozen authentic versions (Gold, Red, Maroon, Multi etc), why not just make your own? It'll be worth as much.
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therivler1 wrote:
cybernigel wrote:He deliberately misrepresented their legitimacy. Here's the offense:

"Shepard sent me the art work, so yes they are authorized." -Peter Kellett @ anographics
potAto/potato (doesn't work so well online)

authorized to be produced = yes
authorized to be sold = verdict still out.

I purchased one knowing full well that it was too good to be true. We all know now that these are backdoor/test prints.

Do I care? Not one little bit. Do I consider it a true fine art piece? No way.

$250 is a steal, and this isn't some ripoff from China.
The educated know it's not a rip off from China. The truth is that these are a bootleg from the USA from a guy who calls himself P. Casso.
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therivler1 wrote:authorized to be sold = verdict still out.
You don't think Omethod put this to rest?
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The best thing to come out of the ebeans thread is this.
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cybernigel wrote:
therivler1 wrote:authorized to be sold = verdict still out.
You don't think Omethod put this to rest?

I was really hoping that I would wake up and the topic would have moved on!
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re:p casso. that is his handle. do we really want to start dissecting everyones username?

re: making my own. seriously? i dont have the skills, materials, time, workspace and everything else that goes into production.

re price: find me a framed editioned one for 250, and i will gladly buy it. not only is this cooler/different (IMO), bu it is wall ready, which saves framing costs.

re:authorized to sell. no, i dont think this has been settled. omethod's responses have been somewhat cryptic. this may not be high on shep's priority list, and is probably a contractual grey area. with shep's recent legal issues, he might be hesitant to push this too much.

with all the crepe that we spend money on with this hobby, yes 250 is a steal.
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TheOmethod wrote:
cybernigel wrote:
therivler1 wrote:authorized to be sold = verdict still out.
You don't think Omethod put this to rest?

I was really hoping that I would wake up and the topic would have moved on!
1 - Was Shep involved in the initial production?
2 - What was supposed to happen to them after Shep decided he didn't want to move forward?
3 - Why is the sale allowed to go forth? Or, why will it be stopped?
4 - If you can't answer these currently, is the delay due to getting a hold of Shep, researching contracts, something else??
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therivler1 wrote:
TheOmethod wrote:
cybernigel wrote:
therivler1 wrote:authorized to be sold = verdict still out.
You don't think Omethod put this to rest?

I was really hoping that I would wake up and the topic would have moved on!
1 - Was Shep involved in the initial production?
2 - What was supposed to happen to them after Shep decided he didn't want to move forward?
3 - Why is the sale allowed to go forth? Or, why will it be stopped?
4 - If you can't answer these currently, is the delay due to getting a hold of Shep, researching contracts, something else??
answer to #4: http://forum.thegiant.org/viewtopic.php ... 30#p374330
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therivler1 wrote: 1 - Was Shep involved in the initial production?
2 - What was supposed to happen to them after Shep decided he didn't want to move forward?
3 - Why is the sale allowed to go forth? Or, why will it be stopped?
4 - If you can't answer these currently, is the delay due to getting a hold of Shep, researching contracts, something else??
TheOmethod wrote:I am sorry guys, but I have been out of the office, and Shepard has been out of the country. While this is an important matter, we have had bigger matters that have taken priority with the little time that we have had to communicate.

I do not want to write anything until I have all the facts. This crowd picks apart every word that I write and some are quick to call me out if something changes. Since a persons reputation is on the line, I feel it is only responsible to comment once all the facts are known.

You are all smart people, and have pretty much come to the same conclusion that I have.
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thanks, must have missed that.

But unfortunately, until the other questions are answered this is not gonna go anywhere. And maybe not giving a definitive answer is their desired course of action.
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therivler1 wrote:
TheOmethod wrote:
cybernigel wrote:
therivler1 wrote:authorized to be sold = verdict still out.
You don't think Omethod put this to rest?

I was really hoping that I would wake up and the topic would have moved on!
1 - Was Shep involved in the initial production?
2 - What was supposed to happen to them after Shep decided he didn't want to move forward?
3 - Why is the sale allowed to go forth? Or, why will it be stopped?
4 - If you can't answer these currently, is the delay due to getting a hold of Shep, researching contracts, something else??
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well, my apologies to Omethod, I feel like a donkey buttocks.

I will be happy however this turns out.
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