New Print: OBAMA OFFICIAL ANTICIPATION THREAD

[howtorapeacountry]

Maybe they could do something like release another alternate edition in a different size reversed colorway. Then do a resale and randomly intersperse the two when they ship out.
I DO think that people that have listed on ebay already should get refunded. I understand people are going to flip and thats fine I guess, but atleast wait till you have the FARKIN THING IN HAND. Refunding these sellers (and I would say ban people selling the pasters) would set a precedent that might slow down the flipping cycle. If your money is tied up for a couple of weeks you might think twice about buying with no intention of keeping the print.

The problem is finding out who the flippers are. Not easy.

that would be a great idea except for the fact that OG can't jst "BAN PEOPLE SELLING THE POSTERS." unless... they have some special connection w/ebay or paypal that we do not know about. hmmm. interesting.

[cerebus]

If you 'win' the BIN auction though, you would probably be able to get enough information on the seller. For example, if they send you a paypal invoice, there is information on that. You can also request the contact details of members that you are involved in a transaction with. Some sellers do not include all the relevant information, but you should be able to glean enough to work out who that person is to match them to an order number.

[stuckeyc37]

I guess the whole banning part is a difficult issue. If they did an alternate version in a larger print run and still did the random intermixing the chances are some of those that have already sold this "first run" are going to get the alternate and might not be able to complete the sale. Might not be a perfect solution, but undoubtedly would result in some headaches for abunch of these people that couldnt wait to rake it in.

[KDH12]

I sent out an email to one of the ebayers, and this is what i got in return.

From: **************
Date: February 5, 2008 4:09:05 PM PST
To: "Bobby anderson" (Thats me)
Subject: Re: Obama Poster

I'm sorry, but 10% of all proceeds will be contributed to "ROCK THE VOTE"
organization, and because i wasn't expecting such a high bid, i'm
contributing 50% of the proceeds on top of the 10% to "Rock the Vote" to
help expand Obama's campaign in my school, University of California
-Irvine, which will hopefully expand to all UC schools (Davis, Berkeley,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles...) I am a true fan and supporter
of Obama just like Shepard and really feel like he's the one candidate who
can bring change, hope, and progress in this nation. I believe one college
student can influence many, and that's my goal. Some may believe it was a
chance to flip. Of course, i wanted to make a few dollars, but didn't
expect this much, which is why i will be giving 50% to MY SCHOOL's funds
to help our campaigning. My group, "UCI supporters for OBAMA 2008," have
been following this auction since the beginning, and are more than
thrilled about the outcome. I also am the admin of several Obama groups on
FACEBOOK.COM in which i promote Shepard Fairey's print and get the word
out. I hope you understand, and can help get the word out to everyone and
anyone.

Did you ask him how much he was donating of his vote print that he sold for bit over $200.... he is full of garbage, I was once a broke college students and it someone gave me $1800 minus a 10% tax I would have gotten drunk taken my girl out and bought something stupid....

omg!! the guy actually answered OG?!?! he must not be aware that we're talking all this trash about him. lol. but i agree with you. i was once a college student, and there's no way i would've donated that much cash to any organization, no matter how passionate i was about it. i say someone look this guy up on facebook to see if he's legitimate. anyone with a University of california irvine account here?

if he keeps to his word he still pockets over 700 bucks

If this kid is telling the truth, i say SF pay a visit on his spare time to make sure ALL the proceeds go to his "campaigning," because i know the UC school system has some major networking which could definitely influence the majority of those students to vote which would turn out over 100,000 young voters, not to mention UC Berkeley is already a huge democratic school and Obama supporter. now that is a movement.

except that voting is over in California in about an hour not much good his money can do in that short of time

[stuckeyc37]

I sent out an email to one of the ebayers, and this is what i got in return.

From: **************
Date: February 5, 2008 4:09:05 PM PST
To: "Bobby anderson" (Thats me)
Subject: Re: Obama Poster

I'm sorry, but 10% of all proceeds will be contributed to "ROCK THE VOTE"
organization, and because i wasn't expecting such a high bid, i'm
contributing 50% of the proceeds on top of the 10% to "Rock the Vote" to
help expand Obama's campaign in my school, University of California
-Irvine, which will hopefully expand to all UC schools (Davis, Berkeley,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles...) I am a true fan and supporter
of Obama just like Shepard and really feel like he's the one candidate who
can bring change, hope, and progress in this nation. I believe one college
student can influence many, and that's my goal. Some may believe it was a
chance to flip. Of course, i wanted to make a few dollars, but didn't
expect this much, which is why i will be giving 50% to MY SCHOOL's funds
to help our campaigning. My group, "UCI supporters for OBAMA 2008," have
been following this auction since the beginning, and are more than
thrilled about the outcome. I also am the admin of several Obama groups on
FACEBOOK.COM in which i promote Shepard Fairey's print and get the word
out. I hope you understand, and can help get the word out to everyone and
anyone.

Did you ask him how much he was donating of his vote print that he sold for bit over $200.... he is full of garbage, I was once a broke college students and it someone gave me $1800 minus a 10% tax I would have gotten drunk taken my girl out and bought something stupid....

omg!! the guy actually answered OG?!?! he must not be aware that we're talking all this trash about him. lol. but i agree with you. i was once a college student, and there's no way i would've donated that much cash to any organization, no matter how passionate i was about it. i say someone look this guy up on facebook to see if he's legitimate. anyone with a University of california irvine account here?

if he keeps to his word he still pockets over 700 bucks

If this kid is telling the truth, i say SF pay a visit on his spare time to make sure ALL the proceeds go to his "campaigning," because i know the UC school system has some major networking which could definitely influence the majority of those students to vote which would turn out over 100,000 young voters, not to mention UC Berkeley is already a huge democratic school and Obama supporter. now that is a movement.

except that voting is over in California in about an hour not much good his money can do in that short of time

I pretty sure this a violation of ebays charity auction rules as well

[howtorapeacountry]

I sent out an email to one of the ebayers, and this is what i got in return.

From: **************
Date: February 5, 2008 4:09:05 PM PST
To: "Bobby anderson" (Thats me)
Subject: Re: Obama Poster

I'm sorry, but 10% of all proceeds will be contributed to "ROCK THE VOTE"
organization, and because i wasn't expecting such a high bid, i'm
contributing 50% of the proceeds on top of the 10% to "Rock the Vote" to
help expand Obama's campaign in my school, University of California
-Irvine, which will hopefully expand to all UC schools (Davis, Berkeley,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles...) I am a true fan and supporter
of Obama just like Shepard and really feel like he's the one candidate who
can bring change, hope, and progress in this nation. I believe one college
student can influence many, and that's my goal. Some may believe it was a
chance to flip. Of course, i wanted to make a few dollars, but didn't
expect this much, which is why i will be giving 50% to MY SCHOOL's funds
to help our campaigning. My group, "UCI supporters for OBAMA 2008," have
been following this auction since the beginning, and are more than
thrilled about the outcome. I also am the admin of several Obama groups on
FACEBOOK.COM in which i promote Shepard Fairey's print and get the word
out. I hope you understand, and can help get the word out to everyone and
anyone.

Did you ask him how much he was donating of his vote print that he sold for bit over $200.... he is full of garbage, I was once a broke college students and it someone gave me $1800 minus a 10% tax I would have gotten drunk taken my girl out and bought something stupid....

omg!! the guy actually answered OG?!?! he must not be aware that we're talking all this trash about him. lol. but i agree with you. i was once a college student, and there's no way i would've donated that much cash to any organization, no matter how passionate i was about it. i say someone look this guy up on facebook to see if he's legitimate. anyone with a University of california irvine account here?

if he keeps to his word he still pockets over 700 bucks

If this kid is telling the truth, i say SF pay a visit on his spare time to make sure ALL the proceeds go to his "campaigning," because i know the UC school system has some major networking which could definitely influence the majority of those students to vote which would turn out over 100,000 young voters, not to mention UC Berkeley is already a huge democratic school and Obama supporter. now that is a movement.

except that voting is over in California in about an hour not much good his money can do in that short of time

i was thinking jst that. how can he claim to use the money for the campaign when primaries for California is ending today which by the way is extremely close based on polls. anyways... this is jst one flipper of many. what to do, what to do. the answer everyone is anticipating from OG. i got hold of one during the first round, in hopes to receive this print in time for today "Super Tuesday", but its too late, so i am in no rush. As for the other people who got hold of the prints in other states which have yet to vote, i feel for you and hope you all (who aren't flippers) receive them sometime this week or next. good luck!

[admonkey]

I have a hard time taking seriously some 20 post or less "member" coming in here only to complain and b1tch about how OG does it's business. Seems strange to only be motivated to post when you need to vent.

You can eat crackers in my bed any time, big boy.

[submit]

I have a hard time taking seriously some 20 post or less "member" coming in here only to complain and b1tch about how OG does it's business. Seems strange to only be motivated to post when you need to vent.

You can eat crackers in my bed any time, big boy.

Nowadays, I think its pc to say 'white people'.

[JeremyJohn]

I sent out an email to one of the ebayers, and this is what i got in return.

From: **************
Date: February 5, 2008 4:09:05 PM PST
To: "Bobby anderson" (Thats me)
Subject: Re: Obama Poster

I'm sorry, but 10% of all proceeds will be contributed to "ROCK THE VOTE"
organization, and because i wasn't expecting such a high bid, i'm
contributing 50% of the proceeds on top of the 10% to "Rock the Vote" to
help expand Obama's campaign in my school, University of California
-Irvine, which will hopefully expand to all UC schools (Davis, Berkeley,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles...) I am a true fan and supporter
of Obama just like Shepard and really feel like he's the one candidate who
can bring change, hope, and progress in this nation. I believe one college
student can influence many, and that's my goal. Some may believe it was a
chance to flip. Of course, i wanted to make a few dollars, but didn't
expect this much, which is why i will be giving 50% to MY SCHOOL's funds
to help our campaigning. My group, "UCI supporters for OBAMA 2008," have
been following this auction since the beginning, and are more than
thrilled about the outcome. I also am the admin of several Obama groups on
FACEBOOK.COM in which i promote Shepard Fairey's print and get the word
out. I hope you understand, and can help get the word out to everyone and
anyone.

If we were to allow this auction to be fulfilled.
In our estimation, the fair way to handle this would be to have the seller of this auction write a check for the entire amount, less 45.00 and shipping costs, so roughly 1700+ to rock the vote, or to the barack obama campaign. And when we see proof of this donation, we would then ship the poster to the buyer directly. We agree with supporting the campaign, not with an individual making an immediate profit from our intended support to Senator Obama.

Adressing the entire issue:

This is not the first time that a situation like this has came about. We find it as dissapointing as many of you. We work to uphold Shepard's philosophy of making prints available to everyone, not only those who can afford to buy in the secondary market. We do not like having to monitor ebay auctions, and so forth to try to put a stop to those who buy strictly to make a profit. We are working to come up with other alternatives so that in the future we do not have to waste our time and yours.

We are seriously considering refunding everyone and selling them privately. Or refunding everyone in the area of past or present auctions including but not limited to the UK, Los Angeles, Denver, and Hawaii.

[Stone Age]

This all makes no sense.

[stuckeyc37]

On a side note I hope everyone got out to vote today!!

[Patillac13]

We are seriously considering refunding everyone and selling them privately. Or refunding everyone in the area of past or present auctions including but not limited to the UK, Los Angeles, Denver, and Hawaii.

This whole situation is a big bummer!
I hope the people who want the print legit for their collection get it (like me ).

[KDH12]

I sent out an email to one of the ebayers, and this is what i got in return.

From: **************
Date: February 5, 2008 4:09:05 PM PST
To: "Bobby anderson" (Thats me)
Subject: Re: Obama Poster

I'm sorry, but 10% of all proceeds will be contributed to "ROCK THE VOTE"
organization, and because i wasn't expecting such a high bid, i'm
contributing 50% of the proceeds on top of the 10% to "Rock the Vote" to
help expand Obama's campaign in my school, University of California
-Irvine, which will hopefully expand to all UC schools (Davis, Berkeley,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles...) I am a true fan and supporter
of Obama just like Shepard and really feel like he's the one candidate who
can bring change, hope, and progress in this nation. I believe one college
student can influence many, and that's my goal. Some may believe it was a
chance to flip. Of course, i wanted to make a few dollars, but didn't
expect this much, which is why i will be giving 50% to MY SCHOOL's funds
to help our campaigning. My group, "UCI supporters for OBAMA 2008," have
been following this auction since the beginning, and are more than
thrilled about the outcome. I also am the admin of several Obama groups on
FACEBOOK.COM in which i promote Shepard Fairey's print and get the word
out. I hope you understand, and can help get the word out to everyone and
anyone.

If we were to allow this auction to be fulfilled.
In our estimation, the fair way to handle this would be to have the seller of this auction write a check for the entire amount, less 45.00 and shipping costs, so roughly 1700+ to rock the vote, or to the barack obama campaign. And when we see proof of this donation, we would then ship the poster to the buyer directly. We agree with supporting the campaign, not with an individual making an immediate profit from our intended support to Senator Obama.

Adressing the entire issue:

This is not the first time that a situation like this has came about. We find it as dissapointing as many of you. We work to uphold Shepard's philosophy of making prints available to everyone, not only those who can afford to buy in the secondary market. We do not like having to monitor ebay auctions, and so forth to try to put a stop to those who buy strictly to make a profit. We are working to come up with other alternatives so that in the future we do not have to waste our time and yours.

We are seriously considering refunding everyone and selling them privately. Or refunding everyone in the area of past or present auctions including but not limited to the UK, Los Angeles, Denver, and Hawaii.

Uhhh so by privately what do you mean by that? I never got one the other day and still want one for my collection and would be interested in the "private" matters that you speak of

[Gigantico]

http://www.sequinsbyeileen.com/midi/kid ... 20Song.mid

[conartstudio]

If we were to allow this auction to be fulfilled.
In our estimation, the fair way to handle this would be to have the seller of this auction write a check for the entire amount, less 45.00 and shipping costs, so roughly 1700+ to rock the vote, or to the barack obama campaign. And when we see proof of this donation, we would then ship the poster to the buyer directly. We agree with supporting the campaign, not with an individual making an immediate profit from our intended support to Senator Obama.

Adressing the entire issue:

This is not the first time that a situation like this has came about. We find it as dissapointing as many of you. We work to uphold Shepard's philosophy of making prints available to everyone, not only those who can afford to buy in the secondary market. We do not like having to monitor ebay auctions, and so forth to try to put a stop to those who buy strictly to make a profit. We are working to come up with other alternatives so that in the future we do not have to waste our time and yours.

We are seriously considering refunding everyone and selling them privately. Or refunding everyone in the area of past or present auctions including but not limited to the UK, Los Angeles, Denver, and Hawaii.

you guys need to do whatever you feel you need to do....

BUT, if you are going to refund everyone, or even a few, just remember the longer you hold onto other people's money the more annoyed they are going to get... refunding people is going to open up a huge can of worms but not refunding in a timely manner is going to really upset people (especially if people miss out on other prints because their money was tied up).

i'm just not looking forward to how ugly this forum is going to get if refunds start flowing. it's going to get just as nasty up in here as the Giants D-line was in the super bowl! (and they were crazy nasty)

[conartstudio]

JeremyJohn,

here's an idea to help combat the obama ebay auctions. why don't you guys print up a ton more pasters and then flood ebay with them all, charge $1 (to cover your listing fees, etc) + shipping per paster. if you have hundreds of pasters for $1 each listed on ebay then you would kill the ebay resale.

granted you have to print up more pasters and then list them all but it would help solve the problem and at the same time help spread the obama love.

[morrisonphoto]

i think refunding someone just because they live in the same city as someone who flipped a print is the worst way to go about this. thats a real way to keep fans. especially when Obey is based in Los Angeles, and you are considering refunding everyone there? its a bit absurd. why not contact ebay, explain that the seller does not have the item, because you are the retailer of said item and have their account suspended. they aren't allowed to have auctions for things they do not have in their possession. i'm pretty sure its in the rules of ebay.

[Patillac13]

why not contact ebay, explain that the seller does not have the item, because you are the retailer of said item and have their account suspended. they aren't allowed to have auctions for things they do not have in their possession. i'm pretty sure its in the rules of ebay.

That would send the message that you can work with eBay legit to work against the flippers... and keep everyone else happy (I'd imagine).

[star e nite]

If you get refunded you can always buy the downloaded one from Ebay for 25 bucks!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0196601675

comes in at 12"x18" Black & White Print on thick cardstock.

That guy is seriously making me sick! I think im going to send him an email, I feel like so many people are going to end up getting ripped of on alot of the obama auctions and I really hope that is obey and team that are doing the bidding/winning on all of the "shady" auctions!

[Stone Age]

why not contact ebay, explain that the seller does not have the item, because you are the retailer of said item and have their account suspended. they aren't allowed to have auctions for things they do not have in their possession.

Someone on here has a brain!

[cerebus]

I think that refunding based on geographical location is not the way to do it either. Surely Obey can be more 'surgical' than that about it. Some people got their Beejoir Lies prints refunded, right? There are ways to do it.

[Autodactyl]

why not contact ebay, explain that the seller does not have the item, because you are the retailer of said item and have their account suspended. they aren't allowed to have auctions for things they do not have in their possession.

Someone on here has a brain!

why doesn't someone ask if this is possible. you can get on live chat with them I believe.

[BrokeFromArt]

The guys over at Obey really need to figure out how they want to sell their art and to whom. The peace bomber mess (the 1st ever print I tried to buy directly) and this Obama fiasco just leave their customers and fans wondering what the frankfurter is going on over there. The peace bombers are all over ebay - so whatever flippers they banned from buying that print for using "backdoors" obviously failed. There must be 30 bombers on ebay for $200-300 - less than 2 weeks after a $35 release.

The random release time seems to encourage the dedicated flippers and people using computer programs and software to work the system. Prints are going to get sold and flipped - there is little you can do about that. However, there might be some way you can get the prints into more loyal hands initially.

My thoughts:
1) Lottery - Everyone gets a # and #'s are drawn at random for the print run. Would not really favor anybody. Flippers have the same chance as fan of getting the prints. BUT the Flippers would probably find a way to get as many lotto tickets as the could.
2) Dutch Auction - 350 prints are for sale. Everyone submits their bids. The 350 prints are sent to the top 350 bidders. More money in the obey pockets. People willing to pay a higher price are more likely to get a print without turning to ebay. Probably the best way to sell prints for everyone involved. You want a print bad enough to pay $1800 for it - the money goes directly to the artist rather than some hundreddollarwhore.
3) Ebay - Just list all 350 prints on ebay for $1 and let people go crazy. More money in Obey pockets and less in the flippers. There might be some extra costs for OG but the increased sales price will easily cover that. Flippers and fan bid whatever they want to pay.

Anybody got any other ideas?

[star e nite]

Does anyone know this JeremyJohn guy? That seems like a pretty ridiculous statement. Are they really going to withhold shipping until they conduct a witch hunt to see who is flipping the Obama?

Good for them if they do! Im sure that they would rather be doing other things and I think it shows real dedication on their part.

[star e nite]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Obey-Giant-OBAMA-Progress-Shepard-Fairey-Print_W0QQitemZ260208384881QQihZ016QQcategoryZ20148QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Wow, how angry is this guy going to be if he never gets this print to sell it...hahaha!

Holy garbage that is nuts!!! and that guy has sold like 3 or 4 obama prints already! How is that possible? Either he is totally ripping people off or he knows the right people.. I hope he goes down hard!